Comments on: Women in Jordan Snapshots: Coffee to Courage https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/ Travel That Cares for Our Planet and Its People Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:30:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-251221 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 06:34:23 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-251221 @Sutapa: Thank you for your thoughtful comment and adding your experience from India regarding women becoming highly educated and working. I do believe that a growing middle class and the desire to improve one’s family situation through another income coming into the family definitely plays an important role.

But, I also think that cultural norms need to adjust as well. As mentioned here, it took a lot of encouraging for the first women to take jobs and once others in the community (including the men) realized that this was a positive thing for the women and their families, others followed suit. For the children of these women, it will likely be much easier for them to work if they choose as there is a precedent.

In the United States, one of the things that boosted women into the workforce was that labor was needed in WW II and the men were off fighting – this necessity helped accelerate change of attitudes.

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By: Sutapa Chattopadhyay https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-247443 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:05:18 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-247443 My feeling is that once the economy improves in Jordan, Egypt and even Iran etc. and there is a desire for a more material possessions and a better standard of living, the plight of women will improve. Rational thinking and practical common sense will dictate that. Hope I’m not being an idealist who views the world through rose-colored glasses (tinted glasses maybe , rose colored, no).

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By: Sutapa Chattopadhyay https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-247441 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:57:38 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-247441 Regarding the comments from Cathy and subsequent comment from Audrey, I’d like to add that at least in the Indian subcontinent, norms are changing quite a bit these days. It has to do with the newly emergent middle class and the people’s desire to have a better life, at least in terms of worldly possessions.

In India (and Pakistan as well), among the middle-class, women are expected to work outside the family; hence all the stuff that preceeds work, namely, getting educated and being skilled at something that would make you employable is happening. In fact, at least in the part of India I am from, if you are a young woman and not employable and don’t have a college degree, your chances of getting married these days are diminished quite a bit.

I could be wrong about this, I am not a sociologist or an anthropologist and I haven’t done a scientific study. But perhaps the key is the desire for the middle-class (and even lower middle) to have a better life.

Many of the comments by Audrey on women in Bangladesh rings true in parts of India, though. Mother-in-law is very important! 🙂

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-168532 Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:24:36 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-168532 @Cathy: You bring up many interesting points and questions regarding women, their education level and the workplace. Many of those questions I can’t claim to know the answers but have some thoughts of my own (not only from Jordan, but many other countries with similar situations). I’ve also experienced the scene you described – young women studying away and wondering whether they will have an opportunity use their education in the workforce. I believe it’s a great loss for any country to miss out on women being engaged and economically active.

I read an article in Jordan Times for International Women’s Day which talked about the challenges for women in the workforce. On the one hand there are societal pressures – that when a woman marries (or becomes a mother), in many homes her role is at home instead of in the workplace. But, this article also addressed employer challenges as many companies are less likely to hire women (even if they are more qualified than applying men) because they fear that they will either quit if they marry or have kids (or, that they will take lots of leave to take care of family). Amman is quite different than the rest of Jordan though – what is possible there for women may not apply in most other parts of the country.

I’ve come across so many young, bright young women in Bangladesh studying at University. For the few that I’ve been able to ask about what they want to do with their degree or if they will work, the answer seems to depend on whether their mother-in-law (when they get married) will allow work – she is the decision maker. Difficult situation.

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By: Cathy McGath https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-166261 Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:33:54 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-166261 Thank you for sharing these stories! It’s really inspiring to hear about female entrepreneurs in any country and especially so in a country where women make up such a small percentage of the workforce.

Speaking of women and Persian women specifically, I once read an anthropological study that explored the lives of women in Iran. The main focus of the study was the fact that so many women are encouraged to do well in school, compete fiercely to be admitted to universities, and graduate with degrees, but then they are still expected to marry and fulfill traditional female roles of managing the household and bearing and raising children; thus, not utilizing the education that they were encouraged to get and becoming frustrated and dissatisfied. An Indian friend of mine told me that Indian women were also strongly encouraged to get degrees, because men want intelligent women–but still to raise their children–not to have a career. I wonder to what extent the same thing happens in Jordan. I was subletting an apartment outside of downtown Amman near all the American chains (yuck), and I often saw young women at Starbucks, at Tche Tche smoking hookah, generally out having a good time, studying for class–granted, these women were probably from decently well-off families–but I wonder if most of them will grow up to be expected to raise families and not work…or maybe to work part time in a support role and not in something for which they actually studied. I know this comment is kinda long, but I wonder what this does to a society culturally, politically, and economically. There are plenty of women with the intelligence to work, but they are still kept out of the workforce. (Rhetorical, I don’t expect you to know) Are they taken into account in the huge unemployment statistics one hears about the Middle East? Do they want to work and societal norms keep them from pursuing that? How does a cultural paradigm shift begin? And I think that’s where the second story you related is important. A lot to think about.
Thanks again!

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-164844 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 03:30:03 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-164844 @Richard: Unfortunately, a lot of what is shown on TV about many parts of the world – and especially the Middle East – is incomplete. When you meet people from those areas or visit those areas, you realize there are many more similarities with regular people than differences. This is one of the great benefits of being open to people from different countries and traveling. Hope you have a chance to go to Syria to see it for yourself – I’m sure you’ll be even more surprised, in a good way!

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By: Richard https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-162357 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:56:02 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-162357 I must just say that I am friends with a man from Syria. I had no clue what the Middle East was all about just what you are shown on T.V he changed my perception from bad to good and i cant wait to go there to see what its all about …………

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-155068 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:21:43 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-155068 @Eileen: As a western woman traveling through Jordan I kind of had the best of both worlds in that I was accepted as a guy for most social settings, but could also sometimes sneak back into the women’s section of the house or felt more free asking questions of women. Hope you enjoy the next installment here – Zikra Initiative was a fantastic organization.

Have no fear – it is possible to ask for your coffee without sugar in Jordan. Our driver always did this and *most* of the time he actually got a sugar-free cup 🙂

@tripgirl6: Outside of Amman (i.e., city), women do make up less of the public and social space. The official women’s employment rate in Jordan is still quite low (like 15%), but you can still find women working and trying to create a beter life for themselves. And I imagine many of these women don’t make the official statistics.

@Kirk: Persia (Iran) is more conservative in terms of dress from Jordan, but I have quite a few Persian women friends who are not afraid to do and say anything. Really amazing. Just shows that you shouldn’t judge by the cover/dress.

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By: Bluegreen Kirk https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-154654 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:36:25 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-154654 Yeah what we think of the women in the middle east is not exactly how it is anymore. yeah in some places its still true but my friend brings me pictures from Persia all the time and its a lot different than i expected.

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By: tripgirl6 https://uncorneredmarket.com/women-in-jordan-snapshots/#comment-154602 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:26:08 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=7591#comment-154602 Yes, these are inspiring stories told well. When you think of women in the middle east, you usually have a mental picture of someone all covered up doing chores at home, not outdoors, working next to men… Hope to hear more stories like this.

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