Comments on: China: Pictionary to the Rescue https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/ Travel That Cares for Our Planet and Its People Mon, 22 Apr 2024 19:35:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-1083411 Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:02:32 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-1083411 @Tyler: We’ve navigated our way through a number of languages, and particularly with limited time, Mandarin seems to dictate a sort of guerrilla communication approach, including whipping out the ol’ sketch pad and charades routines.

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By: Tyler Muse at Lingo Live https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-1044530 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:02:34 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-1044530 I think you’re spot on. With languages like Chinese, these tips become really helpful. Especially the “charades” bit…physical language can get you surprisingly far!

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-402134 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:51:15 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-402134 @Reina: Yes, practicing basic hand gestures (what we call charades) is really useful in situations where there is no common spoken language. If you can draw better than I can, then hopefully you’ll have better luck with communicating through pictures.

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By: Reina https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-400624 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:57:11 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-400624 Yeah, that’s one primary problem when travelling to a foreign country whose people don’t speak English. I think it’s a good thing for me that I could speak and understand a little Mandarin Chinese. However, I still find the language barrier annoying especially when I’ve done my best to make the other person understand what I’m trying to convey. I might find your suggestion of bringing pictures funny, but I really think it helps. Also, practicing basic hand gestures would be good.

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-650 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:38:41 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-650 Nicole: OK, it’s clear that illustration is not our strong point. It’s all in the pointy ears and those two cat-like strokes beneath the nose.

As I read your comment, it occurred to me that an image of a cat *is* more appropriate than a dog. Unlike their cousins in Southeast Asia, cats in China are prodigious. This could be interpreted any number of ways, but it looked a lot like urban animal husbandry to me.

If we ever open a restaurant, we’ll be sure to segregate the brains from more palatable fare…and perhaps we’ll call it Voldemort Vindaloo.

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By: Nicole https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-644 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:28:18 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-644 I immediately recognized the point of the picture, although I have to admit that I thought it was a cat. Must have been the many, many times my Muscovite Russian teacher warned us not to eat the street food in Moscow by meowing.

I wonder if I recognize it because of my dread of eating Meat That Shall Not Be Named. I’m not kidding that the first time I went abroad, the very first word I looked up to try to memorize was “brains” and somehow I had it in my head that I would be tripping over plated brains all the way through Europe. Too much Indiana Jones, perhaps?

I drove my grad school Chinese roommate crazy because I always demanded to know what meat was in every food at the all-too-authentic Chinese buffet in New Haven. “Why do you care? Just eat!”

Oh, I care. And I sympathize. 🙂

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-594 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:18:26 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-594 Suz: It was supposed to be a dog in a frying pan. Back to the drawing board, I guess.. The actual drawing from the first transaction is here.
Not much clarity there either, I’m afraid!

We are not vegetarians, but our lean towards the veg segment of the food pyramid is a result of having been subjected to too many plates of mystery meat – gristle, tendons, fat, etc. Central Asia in particular comes to mind.

So unless the meat really looks delicious, we usually press for details or opt for safety in vegetables. In other words, if we can’t identify, we must clarify.

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-593 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:06:05 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-593 Frank: Your comments not only flatter us, but they describe what we are attempting to do in ways that we are not able to ourselves. Thank you. If someone asked us “Why do you do what you do, the way you do?” I think we might point them to your comment. All the points that you touched on and all that your comment signifies (the connection between us, what we experience, and our readers) is pretty much what this journey of ours is all about.

That Cambodian kid. It mesmerizes us, too – and makes us laugh. I watched that clip over and over again, in fits of laughter every time:

https://uncorneredmarket.com/bruised-bottoms-to-battambang/

We’ve found that kids in general are about innocence and spirit. This makes them a joy to photograph. Kids are also ice-breakers and usually offer a path into the hearts of their parents. When we see kids smiling everywhere, we have to wonder whether they know something that the rest of us do not.

From our experience – yes – the eyes are indeed a window on the soul. The eyes aren’t the whole story, but they certainly do seem to tell most of it. For many people we meet, their eyes also tell a story of transition, from fear or distrust to allowing us a brief look at who they really are and what their lives are really like. That human feature transcends cultures.

Thanks again for a wonderful comment. I’m certain that my response doesn’t do it justice. Know that we appreciate it very much and we’ll be reflecting on it for some time to come.

We look forward to taking you up on the offer of dinner and Chinese wine on our next visit to Scranton.

p.s. “survived catholic school together”…still laughing

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-592 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:02:39 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-592 Brian: It was intended to be a dog in a frying pan. Good thing I didn’t attempt to draw it. If I did, you’d have to spend the first of your 20 questions on “Animal, vegetable or mineral?”

Regarding the difference in communication between Southeast Asia and China, let me first preface my comment with this: we believe that the onus is on us as travelers to find a way to communicate when we are visiting someone else’s country. In other words, it’s primarily our problem that we couldn’t speak the vendors’ language, not the other way around.

That said, it was generally easier to communicate in Southeast Asia for a number of reasons. The first reason is the prevalence of English as a 2nd language and tourist lingua franca. All things being equal, the amount of English spoken throughout China (at least the regions we visited) was consistently and surprisingly little, particularly when we compare it to other places we’ve been.

We suspect there’s a second, more deep-seated reason based on culture and history. Some cultures seem to be more apt to find answers where there are none. Allow me to explain.

Conversations with Chinese friends and long-term expat friends in China indicated that there seems to be a lack of situational creativity on the part of many Chinese people who have had little exposure to the outside world and whose education has consisted primarily of rote learning – especially outside of urban areas and areas of tourist and foreigner traffic. We believe this sort of thing is common in societies where, until recently, all that was known was command-and-control and rules.

Let’s take the rice example. When a foreigner in a restaurant motions with cupped hands next to a pile of saucy vegetables, that *might* signal a need. In many cases outside of China, the staff might not initially understand that we wanted rice, but our experience found that the wait staff would often faciliate the transaction by picking up a napkin, or a fork or some hot sauce…until finally, the need for rice is understood (often with a few laughs and some jokes thrown in).

In situations like this in China, we’d often get blank stares with very little middle ground, and a whiff of a sometimes not-so-faint hope that we and our requests would simply disappear.

You know from experience in Prague (and likely Bratislava) that when people who know only “rules” and “I do what I’m told” are faced with a situation for which there is no rule or no box to check, the attitude that often prevails is “there is no solution” (a.k.a. neni mozne, or not possible).

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By: Kango Suz https://uncorneredmarket.com/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-588 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:51:00 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2008/02/china-pictionary-to-the-rescue/#comment-588 At first I thought it was a cat on a army tank and I couldn’t figure out why you would want to draw that. The vegetarian section turned me on. Ok, no frying kitties. Now that sort of makes sense.
I admire you for sticking to your vegetarian guns (or rather guts) while on the road in so many unusual places, I always just resort to eating whatever I see (and everything) when I’m traveling abroad. Good for you, I’m sure it makes for interesting experiences!
-Suz

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