Comments on: Potosi, Through Children’s Eyes (Where Were You When You Were Twelve?) https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/ Travel That Cares for Our Planet and Its People Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:24:44 +0000 hourly 1 By: Arianwen https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-414750 Mon, 14 May 2012 19:09:51 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-414750 This is a very informative post. Thank you for sharing. I’m considering visiting Potosi when I’m in Bolivia in October. I’m not sure whether to go into the mines though. Aside from feeling claustrophobic, as you say, I don’t want to pay to watch people suffer. But, at the same time, I feel like it’s important, when you travel to a new country, to gain insight into the lives of the people who live there – and not just the ones you meet every day in a tourist capacity. I hope that the boys in that mine benefit, if only a little, from the money, gifts, and perhaps even the interaction with visitors.

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By: Adriana https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-331972 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:44:58 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-331972 that good article. I really like the comparison of children in mines of the people. There are big differences and thoughts, as well as the quality of life and suffering to achieve a dream that the end is survival. In my 12 years studying and I think it was the only one in my mind, well played and was happy

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-26828 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:38:11 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-26828 @JD: Sad in one way, but uplifting in another. I suppose that’s why we chose to contrast the kids in the mines (who are in their own way uplifting) with the girls teaching us how to wash our hands.

You are right though — bottom line: appreciate what you have.

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By: JD @ Sell Buses https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-26538 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:04:16 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-26538 This is sad but makes you appreciate what you have.

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-7022 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:25:18 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-7022 @Dave and Deb: We do know some people who did not go on the mine tour out of the principle, but our experience shows that the best way to understand the real life situation or plight of people is to see it and experience it yourself. The same goes for a place like Burma.

We do hope that writing about issues like this will put a personal face on these issues and countries around the world that usually get forgotten. If more people care and have a personal connection, maybe something can be done. We can hope.

@Nomadic Chick: Thank you for including this article in your weekly round-up and for your kind comment. One of the main reasons we travel is to learn about the world firsthand and find out what life is like for regular people. We hope to share a bit of what we experience and learn through this website.

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By: Nomadic Chick https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-6935 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:53:51 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-6935 I feel naive in commenting on child labor or mining conditions. I just wanted to thank you for such a comprehensive article. Your site always sheds light on not just the fun side of travel, but the social and political conditions.

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By: Dave and Deb https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-6901 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:03:39 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-6901 Excellent article. I agree with you that going to these sites and raising awareness is very important to help change people circumstances. When the world is informed, great things can happen. If you visit places like this and write about it, you are doing a very good thing.
I applaud all of your work that you do to let us know about the plight of people in developing nations.
It is amazing the resilience that people have when faced with a difficult life. I feel that I could never survive, but then again, when you don’t have a choice the human mind and body is amazing.
I saw a young boy carrying cement in Agra India the other day. He was covered in dust and the load on his head looked so heavy. My heart broke. I wish that all children could have the chance to be children like the ones that you met at the hygiene fair.
I like to think that things are slowly changing.
With people like you out there raising awareness, maybe things will change just a little bit faster.
Thanks for always posting such inspirational pieces.

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-6868 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:15:57 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-6868 @unbjames: The reality in many parts of the world is that occupational safety isn’t even part of the vocabulary, unfortunately. It’s considered a luxury. The trick is finding a balance so that workers are protected, but the local company doesn’t go bankrupt in the process. Thanks for your thoughts and perspective.

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-6867 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:20:27 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-6867 @Myriah: Even with protective gear (we both had two masks), we were still coughing up stuff and our lungs felt tight for about a day after we were in the mines. And we were only underground for 2 hours. I really can’t imagine what it’s like to be even deeper for up to 14 hours.

You bring up a very interesting point – Bolivia’s wealth in minerals yet rampant poverty. Everywhere you go in Bolivia there is some sort of mine or deposit of a valuable mineral, but regular people never seem to benefit. First it was the Spanish colonialists and then foreign businesses – people still bring them up as reasons why the country is poor. But now, all mining companies are Bolivian owned; more and more are becoming nationalized and owned by the State. Yet, no one we spoke to in Bolivia seems to think this is going to benefit the miners or the rest of the country. Wealth will still stay in the hands of an elite few (including corrupt politicians). Like with many countries in Africa, Bolivia has the “minerals curse.”

@Akila: Thanks for sharing your experiences of mining in the US and abroad. I knew that mining in the US was not completely safe (i.e., you still hear of mining incidents in West Virginia), but I figured the technology used to protect miners was moons better than in places like Bolivia.

Our guide explained that there are private and state mining companies that do provide equipment (probably not as good as in States, but at least everyone has some protection), social security, regular hours and a steady paycheck. But, most people in Potosi would rather work in cooperatives where each miner is responsible for his own gear (or lack there of) and sets his own hours. I asked the guide (yes, I’m that annoying person on tours who always asks questions) to explain why people prefer working like this to the safety of a private/state company.

He went on that when people work in cooperatives, they are more independent and reap the rewards of their work. They usually have a team or group leader, but the person can set his own hours and schedule. Most importantly, the miner gets to keep what he finds (or what his team finds). This is when the guide told us about the miners who went from rags to riches by finding a new vein of minerals. Everyone wants that chance to strike it rich so they take the risk of working in awful conditions instead of taking a steady paycheck and more consistent protection.

And, when you do strike it rich, the social norm is that you to keep it for yourself – buy fancy cars, build new houses, buy a soccer team, etc. No one expects you to better conditions for the other miners or invest in trying to make lives better for those still working down below.

I believe this is one of the reasons why conditions haven’t improved in the cooperative mines. Once you strike it rich, you’re out of there.

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By: Akila https://uncorneredmarket.com/potosi-mines-children/#comment-6860 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:48:34 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3044#comment-6860 For a while, I worked on a matter related to coal mining in the United States and learned so much about mining in other countries, as well. In the U.S., we have incredible safety equipment, support structures to prevent falls, yearly checks to prevent silicosis, asbestosis, and other diseases, as well as a federal agency that just focuses on mine safety and a huge mining union. That being said, mining is still a hazardous occupation.

When I first started learning about mining in other countries – especially Bolivia, Colombia, South Africa, and China – I was appalled to read that the miners wear basically no safety equipment, don’t carry back up oxygen, etc. But, like you say, in each of these countries (including the U.S.), mining is often the best option for a person in certain areas with limited education. Most miners I met in the U.S. were proud to have this occupation because it provided a stable income for their families and occasionally lead to great wealth. I don’t pity miners anywhere for the choice they make — regardless of the age they are at — because I would probably do the same if the choice was between starvation and food. What worries and irritates me is that the mining companies show little responsibility in these countries and could provide safety equipment for the miners if they were pressured to do so. The equipment exists to prevent black lung disease – it just isn’t being provided to miners in poorer countries.

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